Thursday, 23 July 2009

All Bo's fault

In my last post Bo posted a comment making a number of points and questions. They pretty much get to the heart of the kinds of questions I keep asking myself but never really find myself answering in a full and satisfactory way, namely addressing and finding some sort of resolution on what I see as the relationship between us and the gods and what purpose, if any, the relationship serves.

* What do you think a god can do for you? Is a god an invisible, powerful, yet circumscribed superbeing which can intervene in the real world--the real world, that is, of job centres, skill sets, interview panels, application forms, office politics and credit crunches--to get you a job?

I think that they have a different skill-set from me and both skill-sets combined can achieve results desirable for both sides. I have come to think that what we lack they can provide and when they lack we can provide. A nice symbiotic relationship is probably the ideal outcome. It is probably worth saying this is a simplified version of these thoughts.

* If so--and your lines about Lugus-Belenus being all take and no give imply that this is how you envision him--do you think that the gods (which gods?!) actively run the show like middle management executives, rather than being culturally-determined but nevertheless living symbols of the creative power and beauty continually astir in the world?

Nope I don't see them as running the show, more as characters within the show. Albeit with skills at their disposal that I do not have. To put is crassly; they are classmates who can help with my maths homework as I'm utter shit at trigonometry.

Is the do-ut-des formula of Roman religion--and ancient religion more generally--an appropriate way to relate to divine powers in our post-Freudian, post-Jungian, post-Tillich and Bonhoeffer world? I'm not sure I'd want a god who was the divine equivalent of an African tribal Boss Man, to whom you give a backhander to get something done.

I don't know if it is appropriate, I do know it has been appropriate for humans in their interactions with their gods since humans appeared on earth, so see no reason why this should suddenly change. It has worked for me in the past and I don't see how an essentially key function in the interaction of man and god can be suddenly made redundant or invalid. It has always been part of the system, continues to be part of the system in most religions today and probably always will be.

If you accept that Lugus is more powerful than you--as you clearly do, because you believe he can and should have helped you--does that mean that you also think his divine consciousness is less limited than your human consciousness? In other words, is Lugus perhaps able to perceive what is good and necessary for you at this point in your life better that you are? If yes, you should trust him. If no, then you are treating him like a bellhop who's been insufficiently grateful for the dollar you handed him.

This is always something I come back to, the idea that they know better and I should trust in their judgement even when it negates those things which I desire. Whilst I certainly do trust their judgement, I struggle with the idea my wishes and desires will be left to one side because 'they know better'. I guess it could be said that we arent left to make our own mistakes and learn from them. It is a tough one for sure.


Bo said...

Oh dear. Sorry to have made things difficult!!

Lee said...


not at all, it's good to think through these things

Bo said...

I think you might be denying the sacred immediacy of your awen, with all this thinking business....

Lee said...

fnar fnar!